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	<title>Comments on: Pro Paintball Exclusive: GI Milsim .50 Cal &#8220;Nano&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: XbaLLer316</title>
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		<dc:creator>XbaLLer316</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha i saw that and i just thought &quot; what a bunch of greedy assholes&quot; haha making it so you cant buy aftermarket parts from 3rd party companies. ha good catch bro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha i saw that and i just thought &#8221; what a bunch of greedy assholes&#8221; haha making it so you cant buy aftermarket parts from 3rd party companies. ha good catch bro</p>
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		<title>By: ::dodgy:</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh look and ugly luxe</description>
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		<title>By: wow..</title>
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		<dc:creator>wow..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an idiot, a case of .50 cal will not be 50% cheaper than a case of .68
In fact you&#039;ll probably only save around 10$ a case, so initially only &quot;rich noobs&quot; will be able to afford to play .50 cal paintball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an idiot, a case of .50 cal will not be 50% cheaper than a case of .68<br />
In fact you&#8217;ll probably only save around 10$ a case, so initially only &#8220;rich noobs&#8221; will be able to afford to play .50 cal paintball.</p>
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		<title>By: Rampage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rampage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, ok, I see where you are coming from now with the equations.

Yes, I agree with the fact that there are no accessories for the .50. I do not see this taking off that much unless tournaments start leagues for it.

Great idea all you paintball producers, but next time please try to create something either more affordable for us or something that will help bring the price of paintball as a whole down. It is getting expensive =/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, ok, I see where you are coming from now with the equations.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree with the fact that there are no accessories for the .50. I do not see this taking off that much unless tournaments start leagues for it.</p>
<p>Great idea all you paintball producers, but next time please try to create something either more affordable for us or something that will help bring the price of paintball as a whole down. It is getting expensive =/</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Baler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Baler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do find the whole concept on 50cal a bit off putting.. no down to the size of the ball but the price it will put on all ballers heads. </p>
<p>Sure companies like RPS, KEE, DXS will save some money in manufacturing these little terrors but what will be the cost to the player.</p>
<p>just think if you buy a case of DXS Gold or Evil you looking at £40 a box for 2000 high end balls. thats alot of money and considering teams can range between 10 and 50 cases at an event.</p>
<p>now sure we can all say this will half our costs as in a box of 2000 68cal you&#8217;ll get near double that in a case of 50cal and it would be cheaper, and if it was the same price companies would lose a hell of a lot of money. and i dont see them giving us more balls for less money just cuz there smaller.!!</p>
<p>just to add to the paint cost, upgrading your kit will be more as well. i can see the 50cal conversion kit retailing at about £150-£200  and the loader upgrade being about £50-100 no to mention barrels</p>
<p>so after you just bought your shiney new luxe,ego ten or dm10 you have to fork out another shed load of cash to convert it to shoot 50cal.</p>
<p>i can see the pro side of it for woodballers, big games and sites etc as the site will save money and make more money from a smaller ball. </p>
<p>but please god keep this away from the tournament  scene. the splat of the ball is irrelevant.. the changes it will implement such as chrono speed will change, we shoot a 68 cal ball at a max of 300fps  now airsofters (bb guns) shoot a i think 18cal ball at speeds of 1000fps cuz the ball is smaller or something like that. ( i could be wrong) </p>
<p>but i do hope this fails in the tournament  scene.  but i hope it goes more towards the site owner and woodballers/milsim etc </p>
<p>p.s the gun is fugly  its like an ion tried to but fuck a luxe</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.propaintball.com/2009/10/pro-paintball-exclusive-gi-milsim-50-cal-nano/#comment-4023</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok guys, Do us all a big favor and shut the fuck up, please, Ok? I play milsim, speedball, xball, and woodsball. But by far my favorate thing to do is take a milsim gun on the field. Guess what noobs in my arena, we dont care what marker you use. Its all just paintball, no one cares yours looks like an m4 and thiers looks like a laser gun and the other guy has a speedball gun. 
.50 is a nice thought, and it might prove to be a good change if it happens, but you idiots are to stupid to realize theres different paintball cal.&#039;s, such as rap4&#039;s signature cal. is .43 and .40.. it does well on its own, certantly wont take over .68, if you guys want to bitch and complain heres the truth

case of .68=$60
case of .50=$30
accuracy of the .50 may be a little off? maybe better. due to the fact theres less surface area for the wind to affect.

.50 wont take over you rich noobs. 
but for those who have no idea what im talking about its simple.
.50 is a nice thought for change, only time will tell if it happens but as far as .68 leaving
.68 will never leave becuase thats all most fields allow, and theres more .68 guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok guys, Do us all a big favor and shut the fuck up, please, Ok? I play milsim, speedball, xball, and woodsball. But by far my favorate thing to do is take a milsim gun on the field. Guess what noobs in my arena, we dont care what marker you use. Its all just paintball, no one cares yours looks like an m4 and thiers looks like a laser gun and the other guy has a speedball gun.<br />
.50 is a nice thought, and it might prove to be a good change if it happens, but you idiots are to stupid to realize theres different paintball cal.&#8217;s, such as rap4&#8242;s signature cal. is .43 and .40.. it does well on its own, certantly wont take over .68, if you guys want to bitch and complain heres the truth</p>
<p>case of .68=$60<br />
case of .50=$30<br />
accuracy of the .50 may be a little off? maybe better. due to the fact theres less surface area for the wind to affect.</p>
<p>.50 wont take over you rich noobs.<br />
but for those who have no idea what im talking about its simple.<br />
.50 is a nice thought for change, only time will tell if it happens but as far as .68 leaving<br />
.68 will never leave becuase thats all most fields allow, and theres more .68 guns.</p>
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		<title>By: ***</title>
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		<dc:creator>***</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but you forget to take into account that although a .68 is less air efficient, it will still go farther on the same velocity. As I stated above, a .68 will have (68/50)^3 times the energy, but as you point out, it has a larger surface area to create friction. However, the surface area of the .50 caliber round is (50/68)^2 the size of a .68 caliber round&#039;s area. Theoretically, therefore, the .68 caliber paintball would still go 68/50, or 1.36 times as far as a .50 caliber paintball. I appreciate that you took the time to actually type out a valid response to what I wrote as compared to the pointless trolling that x put before you. 

All in all, though, I just don&#039;t think that this will generate nything more than initial hype that will fizzle out quickly. .68 caliber has been around for a long time, and one new company&#039;s idea isn&#039;t going to be enough to change an industry standard. There are still no .50 caliber hoppers, no .50 caliber aftermarket barrels, almost nothing for .50 caliber paintball as a whole, where everybody already has a .68 and are, for the most part, happy with theirs. The only people who would buy into this hype are mostly new players who will find out that big events don&#039;t have enough .50 caliber participants to care about them, and that they will either have to change to .68 caliber like everybody else or stay in the woods.

If anybody would like to refute anything else I say, please have the good graces to post a detailed reply explaining your thoughts, not simply &quot;You&#039;re wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but you forget to take into account that although a .68 is less air efficient, it will still go farther on the same velocity. As I stated above, a .68 will have (68/50)^3 times the energy, but as you point out, it has a larger surface area to create friction. However, the surface area of the .50 caliber round is (50/68)^2 the size of a .68 caliber round&#8217;s area. Theoretically, therefore, the .68 caliber paintball would still go 68/50, or 1.36 times as far as a .50 caliber paintball. I appreciate that you took the time to actually type out a valid response to what I wrote as compared to the pointless trolling that x put before you. </p>
<p>All in all, though, I just don&#8217;t think that this will generate nything more than initial hype that will fizzle out quickly. .68 caliber has been around for a long time, and one new company&#8217;s idea isn&#8217;t going to be enough to change an industry standard. There are still no .50 caliber hoppers, no .50 caliber aftermarket barrels, almost nothing for .50 caliber paintball as a whole, where everybody already has a .68 and are, for the most part, happy with theirs. The only people who would buy into this hype are mostly new players who will find out that big events don&#8217;t have enough .50 caliber participants to care about them, and that they will either have to change to .68 caliber like everybody else or stay in the woods.</p>
<p>If anybody would like to refute anything else I say, please have the good graces to post a detailed reply explaining your thoughts, not simply &#8220;You&#8217;re wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys can argue physics all you want, but there are so many variables and so many ways to compensate for them that the bottom line is how the gun shoots.

My second issue is looking at their product line, these look like 50 cal versions of the luxe, vibe and sp-1.

As per their youtube video...The accuracy tests are done against stock guns I&#039;m betting and I doubt the paint match is correct on the 68s. The more major detail is the paint splatter dispersement. They are shooting at a hard surface. A ball splatter is much different when it hits. Sure you&#039;ll be able to identify a gogg shot, but how about inbetween pods on the pack, or in the elbows or under the arms. Also, in speedball, with 2 refs for 5 guys and fans, not a big deal, but when you play scenario its hard enough to get people to call themselves out anyway.

The fact that the balls will hurt more is a benefit i think. If you don&#039;t agree with me on this point you should probably stop playing paintball.

but that&#039;s just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys can argue physics all you want, but there are so many variables and so many ways to compensate for them that the bottom line is how the gun shoots.</p>
<p>My second issue is looking at their product line, these look like 50 cal versions of the luxe, vibe and sp-1.</p>
<p>As per their youtube video&#8230;The accuracy tests are done against stock guns I&#8217;m betting and I doubt the paint match is correct on the 68s. The more major detail is the paint splatter dispersement. They are shooting at a hard surface. A ball splatter is much different when it hits. Sure you&#8217;ll be able to identify a gogg shot, but how about inbetween pods on the pack, or in the elbows or under the arms. Also, in speedball, with 2 refs for 5 guys and fans, not a big deal, but when you play scenario its hard enough to get people to call themselves out anyway.</p>
<p>The fact that the balls will hurt more is a benefit i think. If you don&#8217;t agree with me on this point you should probably stop playing paintball.</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rampage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rampage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errrmmm, you may want to check with your math professor on that one genius...

You forget to take into account that the surface area is smaller, the barrel is smaller, etc. Even if air consumption will not be less, the .68 caliber will NOT have less consumption. At most it will be equal.

This is the result of poor education on multiple levels of Math and Paintball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errrmmm, you may want to check with your math professor on that one genius&#8230;</p>
<p>You forget to take into account that the surface area is smaller, the barrel is smaller, etc. Even if air consumption will not be less, the .68 caliber will NOT have less consumption. At most it will be equal.</p>
<p>This is the result of poor education on multiple levels of Math and Paintball.</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pity the people who attempted to educate you.</description>
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		<title>By: ***</title>
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		<dc:creator>***</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, before you wait to pass judgement, just realize what BS is going on when it claims to shoot at 30 bps. I challenge anybody here to find me a .50 cal loader that will feed that fast. This is straight up stupid. 

Also, e=mc^2, people. If you give the same speed to a .68 caliber paintball and a .50 caliber, the difference in energy will be that the .68 caliber will be (68/50)^3 times as much, or 2.515456 times as much, energy as the .50. It won&#039;t go any farther; it won&#039;t go even half as far unless it goes more than  300 fps. Remember here, folks, this is a Smart Parts affiliate making this one. You know it&#039;s a bunch of lies. Same general argument goes for accutracty as well. I pity the morons who buy this garbage....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, before you wait to pass judgement, just realize what BS is going on when it claims to shoot at 30 bps. I challenge anybody here to find me a .50 cal loader that will feed that fast. This is straight up stupid. </p>
<p>Also, e=mc^2, people. If you give the same speed to a .68 caliber paintball and a .50 caliber, the difference in energy will be that the .68 caliber will be (68/50)^3 times as much, or 2.515456 times as much, energy as the .50. It won&#8217;t go any farther; it won&#8217;t go even half as far unless it goes more than  300 fps. Remember here, folks, this is a Smart Parts affiliate making this one. You know it&#8217;s a bunch of lies. Same general argument goes for accutracty as well. I pity the morons who buy this garbage&#8230;.</p>
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